Tag: Submarines

Albo admits he got talked into buying extras package on new subs | The Shovel

The PM says the base price for eight new submarines was $16 billion but ballooned to $386 billion after he added on heated leather seats, roof-racks, sports styling, Parking Assist and a range of other dealer extras.

Source: Albo admits he got talked into buying extras package on new subs | The Shovel

Australian submarine madness and the phoney China threat – Pearls and Irritations

Kanagawa, Japan - May 03, 2022:Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force JS Taigei (SS-513), Taigei-class submarine.

Nobody knows what military threats to Australia from China or anyone else, will exist in 2050. In these circumstances, it is folly to commit to spending over $200 billion on acquiring eight US designed nuclear attack submarines to deploy in support of the US on the China coast.

Source: Australian submarine madness and the phoney China threat – Pearls and Irritations

Australia looks to plug nuclear subs gap – Michael West

This report proves that we still haven’t a clue what’s happening and simply waiting to be told. However in not so many words. When Michael West doesn’t know nobody does.

Australia controversially scrapped a French submarine deal in favour of the AUKUS agreement, with a leaked confidential document revealing officials were kept in the dark about the cancellation.

The leaked note was written by former Department of Defence deputy secretary Kim Gillis and first published by the ABC.

Mr Gillis wrote he did not believe any more than a handful of people within Defence knew the French submarine contract was being dumped.

He also canvassed reopening discussions with the French about buying nuclear-powered submarines in the future.


Source: Australia looks to plug nuclear subs gap – Michael West

Morrison plans east coast base for nuclear powered submarines

Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Is Morrison announcement an American decision?  A $10Bn base plus ongoing payments to house and rent their submarine fleet and manpower?  We have already spent $3bn just planning, advertising and cancelling ours and got absolutely nowhere other than destroying our relationship with France. Is it any wonder Morrison has never been seen as a man of action just a stumble bum?

Mr Morrison will note there would be economic benefits from the submarine base that would also be used by visiting nuclear-powered US and UK submarines. Among the criteria set for the location of the base, Mr Morrison will say its proximity to a large population base so as to recruit and retain a substantially larger uniformed submarine workforce.

Source: Morrison plans east coast base for nuclear powered submarines

Bill for NSW and Qld flood damage now at $1.2b and rising fast

The LNP government signed the country up for the equivalent  cost of x8 of these disasters and at the time claimed they were cheap. 8 Submarines at only $80Bn was nothing but now when the estimated cost of flood damage in two states is $1.2 Bn it’s a disaster. It’s the cost of a single sub. So shouldn’t that money be easy to find  just cancel one sub. After all delivery isn’t expected until 2040 and the flood damage could be attended to immediately. That National Disaster Fund is $4.5 Bn  only returns 5% interest or $200 M of which the L-NP are so proud. Cancel 4 subs the fund would have $9Bn at 10% the average rate of return of an Industrial Super fund they’d have almost a $1Bn to spend. So much for their money management.

Premier Dominic Perrottet will visit the devastated northern city of Lismore, with six people dead as a result of the NSW floods disaster and insurance payouts expected to soar into the hundreds of millions. The cost in NSW alone is now more than $240 million, according to the Insurance Council of Australia, while estimates taking in Queensland claims as well peaked over $1 billion on Friday.

Source: Bill for NSW and Qld flood damage now at $1.2b and rising fast

Has PM put Australia on the hook to finance struggling UK, US submarine projects? – Michael West Media

AUKUS, Dreadnought submarine, BAE

“Almost comical”. Experts lambast Scott Morrison’s “crazy” AUKUS deal to buy nuclear submarine tech from parlous UK and US programs. Marcus Reubenstein finds a real prospect Australia will be used to “underwrite” the foundering foreign submarine industry.

Source: Has PM put Australia on the hook to finance struggling UK, US submarine projects? – Michael West Media

Is US-Australia Nuclear Sub Deal a Proliferation Danger, and does it Justify Iran’s Civilian Enrichment Program?

It seems to me that the only difference between Australians and Iranians in this regard is that Australia is part of the white Anglophone diaspora. It is also part of the Five Eyes intelligence program, which groups the US, Canada, the UK, New Zealand and Australia (hmm, I wonder what they have in common)? Race is so central to US politics that it even comes into nuclear policy!

Source: Is US-Australia Nuclear Sub Deal a Proliferation Danger, and does it Justify Iran’s Civilian Enrichment Program?

Sunk before Service: Australia’s Disastrous Submarine Project – » The Australian Independent Media Network

Another Abbott brainstorm turned disaster

One only gets into the submarine procurement business to spite government treasurers and economic managers. Efficiency and effectuality are bonus additions, but hardly necessary. Witness the evolving disaster that is Australia’s SEA 1000 Future Submarine program, won by France’s DCNS, now Naval Group, in 2016.

Sunk before Service: Australia’s Disastrous Submarine Project – » The Australian Independent Media Network

Scrap submarines project before it’s too late says former public service boss – Michael West

LNP Economic Management

In addition to some very serious problems with progress with the SEA 1000 program, there are some more fundamental questions to be addressed in the longer term. The first of these is whether the Attack class will embody the technologies required to be successful in its operations in the mid-2030s and beyond. In other words, will it be fit for purpose? An associated question is around the submarine’s cost effectiveness. The escalating cost of this acquisition means that the opportunity cost is also going up. With the submarines being designed mainly for joint operations with the US Navy, there are also significant risks in the future around whether a continuing US presence can be assumed.

via Scrap submarines project before it’s too late says former public service boss – Michael West

24/7 Sub Building Contract Creates New Nightlife Option In Adelaide

submarines adelaide nightlife

Local MP Christopher Pyne says the announcement of a new $50 billion contract to build 12 submarines in Adelaide will give residents another going-out option on Friday and Saturday nights.

“Whether you’re working directly on the subs, or you just want to go down and watch, this will be an exciting place to see and be seen come the weekend,” Mr Pyne said.

Premier Jay Weatherill said that with large spotlights likely to be used for night shifts, there would be a party-like atmosphere at the shipbuilding docks. “There will be lights. There will be noise. There will be people. Sparks will quite literally fly!”

Mr Weatherill said his Government was considering a shuttle service between the city and the Osborne shipyards for revellers. Residents of Sydney have been invited to come to Adelaide to see what it’s like to be out after 10:30pm.

Submarine program: Japan, France, Germany to compete for build process; Government promises hundreds of local jobs

Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews

Japan, France and Germany will compete to build Australia’s next submarines as the Federal Government continues its search for a potential partner, the Defence Minister says.

Kevin Andrews said the Defence Department would seek proposals from potential partners looking at options to either design and build overseas, in Australia or a hybrid approach through a “competitive evaluation process”.

But there were no guarantees the submarines would be built or designed in Australia.

Mr Andrews ruled out Swedish defence company Saab, which has a presence in Adelaide and had expressed an interest in building the vessels in South Australia.

But the Minister said he expected significant work would be undertaken in Australia, particularly during the build phase leading to the creation of at least 500 new, high-skilled jobs.

He said many of the 500 jobs would be in South Australia and would focus on significant works ranging from combat-system integration to land-based testing.

It is particularly good news for Australian jobs and can I say to anybody in South Australia who may be listening or watching, this is particularly good news for South Australia.

Defence Minister, Kevin Andrews

“The Government expects that significant work will be undertaken in Australia as part of the build phase of the future submarine including, but not necessarily limited to, combat-system integration, design assurance and land-based testing,” Mr Andrews said.

“This will result in the creation of at least 500 new, high-skilled jobs in Australia for the life of the program, the majority of which will be in South Australia.

“So this is good news for Australian industry, it is good news for the Australian economy, it is particularly good news for Australian jobs and can I say to anybody in South Australia who may be listening or watching, this is particularly good news for South Australia.”

South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill said he believed the Government wanted the submarines built in Japan.

He said he was disappointed Sweden had been ruled out of the “competitive evaluation process”.

“It tells you all you need to know about the process,” Mr Weatherill said.

“Sweden say they can build submarines for the right price, on time, here in South Australia, and they get ruled out of the process.”

The Future Submarine Program is the largest Defence procurement program in Australia’s history and represents an investment in the order of $50 billion, the Government said.

Mr Andrews said France, Germany and Japan had proven submarine design and build capabilities, and currently produce submarines.

Good Government. Abbott Style : The sarcasm is fully intended

The next liberal gov

  • February 13, 2015
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  • After surviving what he describes as a near death experience on Monday, Tony Abbott with feigned penitential self-indulgence, declared that Tuesday 10 February was the beginning of good government. With tempestuous dexterity he decided that all the previous ideological wrong he had committed on the Australian people would be overlooked. A new start would take place the following morning.Well I’m all for forgiveness. “Let’s celebrate” I said to my wife. She was as equally delighted with the prospect of good government as I was. Lunch and a bottle of Merlot was in order. We were both so happy that overnight the Prime Minister had had a near death experience that convinced him good government was not only possible, but necessary. And with a quick fix personality transplant it would be accompanied with good leadership.

    What a waste of a bloody good bottle of Annie’s Lane, Clare Valley, it was. It became apparent the next morning that the good government we had become so excited about was indeed premature.

    It seemed there was some confusion as to what Tony Abbott had promised the South Australian senator Sean Edwards. Was it a promise for the subs to be built-in SA, or was it just a ploy to get his vote in the leadership spill?

    Good government had made a less that conspicuous start. A bewildered Defence Minister, Kevin Andrews, could not shed any light on the difference between a tender and a “competitive evaluation process”. The PM in a fit of calm reassurance and good governance suggested that if Labor was in power the subs would be built by Putin or Kim Jong-Il. The fact that the latter was deceased seemed irrelevant. The conspiracy theorist in me somehow thinks that the Japan Trade Deal and building the submarines might be interwoven.

    On top of that the Prime Minister for good government and the Treasure wishing for it, were singing from different hymn sheets as to policy and future budget direction. Hockey seemed to be saying that good governance required that the existing policies of hitting the poor to help the rich was indeed good governance, where as the Prime Minister was suggesting that political expediency was good government at work.

    And after much controversy and public disdain they cannot tell us whether the Medicare co-payment is in or out. Good government necessitates the explanation of policy, not the absence of it.

    On Wednesday there were 40 youth leaders in the gallery for question time. “What must they be thinking”, I thought? The Speaker and the Government have turned Question Time into a disservice to the Australian people. Is this what he means by good governance? By this stage I had given up that good government was remotely possible from this lot.

    The following day in an answer to a question, the Prime Minister repeated his oft-repeated lie that “every family in Australia” had received $550 as a result of the repeal of the carbon tax. And silly me thought that lying wouldn’t be necessary now that we had good government.

    In another display of good government (or in this case bad government), Government members walked out on a reply speech by Bill Shorten to the “Closing the Gap” annual report. The Government became outraged when he dared to suggest that the $500 million taken from “Closing the Gap” programs should be reinstated, suggesting that he was being blatantly partisan. When Tony Abbott raised matters of local political controversy in speeches during visits by Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, the Queen, and President Obama . . . they sat in muted silence. Perhaps they thought, that’s good governance. Anyway, Indigenous leaders clapped the speech while the PM suggested they should take on more responsibility. “He’s good at that”, I thought.

    Then on Thursday we had the Prime Minister’s hysterically belligerent reaction to the Human Rights Commission (HRC) over its damning report into children in detention, saying it should be ashamed of itself for conducting “a blatantly partisan politicised exercise“. A good government might have taken a more considered and diplomatic approach to a report they have had since November. However, Abbott made it clear his government would continue to shoot the messenger Gillian Triggs, who seems to be the target because she is a trifle upset about the way in which successive governments have treated our fellow human beings. He said we should all be grateful for the job Scott Morrison had done. “Goodness”, I thought; I hope he didn’t include me.

    Abbott’s behavior since his declaration of good government rather reminds me of the tennis player whose only reaction to adversity is to hit the ball harder when thoughtful measured dexterity is what’s needed. Or the boxer who brings on his defeat quickly by being more aggressive than the fight requires.

    He then followed that up in question time with that word never to be used out of context. As if his week hadn’t been bad enough he uttered the word holocaust when he attacked Labor over some deplorable jobless figures:

    “There was a Holocaust of jobs in Defence industries under members opposite … that’s what there was,” he said.

    He certainly apologised very quickly but good government wasn’t being backed up with good judgement. His performance in question time was that of a punch drunk man desperately trying to impress his followers with his pugilistic acerbic tongue, rather than sagacious intelligence.

    That wasn’t to be the end of it. He then went on to openly talk about two males facing terrorism charges. Comments that prominent lawyers said were highly likely to prejudice their cases. In an effort to inflame the terrorism debate both Abbott and Minister Dutton, in what I assume is their version of good government principle, used low rent grubbiness to say the two men in question entered Australia under Labor’s watch.

    His week wasn’t made any better when US think tank ‘Council on Foreign Relations’ declared him “the least competent leader of any rich democracy and appears unaware of how poorly he comes across at world events.”

    “Abbott has proven so incapable of clear policy thinking, so unwilling to consult with even his own ministers and advisers, and so poor at communicating that he has to go,” wrote the CFR senior fellow Joshua Kurlantzick, a US specialist in south-east Asian politics.

    Maybe good government by the captain of team Australia might right the ship.

    If this wasn’t serious it might be considered funny. At a time in our history when the benefits of a never to be repeated resources boom have come to an end and new ideas are needed to re invigorate our economy. When some of the economic revenue answers stare us in the eye and new green industries await good government approval. When science, education and technology can provide many of the solutions. When indeed what is required is not only good government but good leadership we find ourselves being led by a man who has never really grown up.

    When our voices are silent against unfair, deceitful and dishonest government we get what we deserve.

    Good government was just another lie by an incompetent lying fool.

    PS. For those who think this piece might be a little sarcastic for their taste I give an unconditional guarantee that is fully intended.

Defence Minister Kevin Andrews struggles to explain new submarine policy | The Australian. The promise that bought Abbott votes but nobody now is prepared to clarify. S.A MP’s and Abbott now seem to differ on what was proposed.

Kevin Andrews, centre with Steven Marshall, the South Australian Opposition leader, left,

Defence Minister Kevin Andrews struggles to explain new submarine policy | The Australian.

Defence Minister Kevin Andrews won’t commit to ‘open tender’ for Australia’s next submarine fleet – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) What was the promise Abbott made? It’s easily cleared up except Kevin Andrews seems to refuse to explain it. Will anyone clarify things?


HMAS Dechaineux participating in Exercise Kakadu 2010 off the coast of Darwin.

Defence Minister Kevin Andrews won’t commit to ‘open tender’ for Australia’s next submarine fleet – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation).