
Tag: Submarines

The PM says the base price for eight new submarines was $16 billion but ballooned to $386 billion after he added on heated leather seats, roof-racks, sports styling, Parking Assist and a range of other dealer extras.
Source: Albo admits he got talked into buying extras package on new subs | The Shovel

Nobody knows what military threats to Australia from China or anyone else, will exist in 2050. In these circumstances, it is folly to commit to spending over $200 billion on acquiring eight US designed nuclear attack submarines to deploy in support of the US on the China coast.
Source: Australian submarine madness and the phoney China threat – Pearls and Irritations

This report proves that we still haven’t a clue what’s happening and simply waiting to be told. However in not so many words. When Michael West doesn’t know nobody does.
Australia controversially scrapped a French submarine deal in favour of the AUKUS agreement, with a leaked confidential document revealing officials were kept in the dark about the cancellation.
The leaked note was written by former Department of Defence deputy secretary Kim Gillis and first published by the ABC.
Mr Gillis wrote he did not believe any more than a handful of people within Defence knew the French submarine contract was being dumped.
He also canvassed reopening discussions with the French about buying nuclear-powered submarines in the future.
Source: Australia looks to plug nuclear subs gap – Michael West
Is Morrison announcement an American decision? A $10Bn base plus ongoing payments to house and rent their submarine fleet and manpower? We have already spent $3bn just planning, advertising and cancelling ours and got absolutely nowhere other than destroying our relationship with France. Is it any wonder Morrison has never been seen as a man of action just a stumble bum?
Mr Morrison will note there would be economic benefits from the submarine base that would also be used by visiting nuclear-powered US and UK submarines. Among the criteria set for the location of the base, Mr Morrison will say its proximity to a large population base so as to recruit and retain a substantially larger uniformed submarine workforce.
Source: Morrison plans east coast base for nuclear powered submarines

The LNP government signed the country up for the equivalent cost of x8 of these disasters and at the time claimed they were cheap. 8 Submarines at only $80Bn was nothing but now when the estimated cost of flood damage in two states is $1.2 Bn it’s a disaster. It’s the cost of a single sub. So shouldn’t that money be easy to find just cancel one sub. After all delivery isn’t expected until 2040 and the flood damage could be attended to immediately. That National Disaster Fund is $4.5 Bn only returns 5% interest or $200 M of which the L-NP are so proud. Cancel 4 subs the fund would have $9Bn at 10% the average rate of return of an Industrial Super fund they’d have almost a $1Bn to spend. So much for their money management.
Premier Dominic Perrottet will visit the devastated northern city of Lismore, with six people dead as a result of the NSW floods disaster and insurance payouts expected to soar into the hundreds of millions. The cost in NSW alone is now more than $240 million, according to the Insurance Council of Australia, while estimates taking in Queensland claims as well peaked over $1 billion on Friday.
Source: Bill for NSW and Qld flood damage now at $1.2b and rising fast
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“Almost comical”. Experts lambast Scott Morrison’s “crazy” AUKUS deal to buy nuclear submarine tech from parlous UK and US programs. Marcus Reubenstein finds a real prospect Australia will be used to “underwrite” the foundering foreign submarine industry.

It seems to me that the only difference between Australians and Iranians in this regard is that Australia is part of the white Anglophone diaspora. It is also part of the Five Eyes intelligence program, which groups the US, Canada, the UK, New Zealand and Australia (hmm, I wonder what they have in common)? Race is so central to US politics that it even comes into nuclear policy!

One only gets into the submarine procurement business to spite government treasurers and economic managers. Efficiency and effectuality are bonus additions, but hardly necessary. Witness the evolving disaster that is Australia’s SEA 1000 Future Submarine program, won by France’s DCNS, now Naval Group, in 2016.
Sunk before Service: Australia’s Disastrous Submarine Project – » The Australian Independent Media Network
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In addition to some very serious problems with progress with the SEA 1000 program, there are some more fundamental questions to be addressed in the longer term. The first of these is whether the Attack class will embody the technologies required to be successful in its operations in the mid-2030s and beyond. In other words, will it be fit for purpose? An associated question is around the submarine’s cost effectiveness. The escalating cost of this acquisition means that the opportunity cost is also going up. With the submarines being designed mainly for joint operations with the US Navy, there are also significant risks in the future around whether a continuing US presence can be assumed.
via Scrap submarines project before it’s too late says former public service boss – Michael West

Local MP Christopher Pyne says the announcement of a new $50 billion contract to build 12 submarines in Adelaide will give residents another going-out option on Friday and Saturday nights.
“Whether you’re working directly on the subs, or you just want to go down and watch, this will be an exciting place to see and be seen come the weekend,” Mr Pyne said.
Premier Jay Weatherill said that with large spotlights likely to be used for night shifts, there would be a party-like atmosphere at the shipbuilding docks. “There will be lights. There will be noise. There will be people. Sparks will quite literally fly!”
Mr Weatherill said his Government was considering a shuttle service between the city and the Osborne shipyards for revellers. Residents of Sydney have been invited to come to Adelaide to see what it’s like to be out after 10:30pm.

Japan, France and Germany will compete to build Australia’s next submarines as the Federal Government continues its search for a potential partner, the Defence Minister says.
Kevin Andrews said the Defence Department would seek proposals from potential partners looking at options to either design and build overseas, in Australia or a hybrid approach through a “competitive evaluation process”.
But there were no guarantees the submarines would be built or designed in Australia.
Mr Andrews ruled out Swedish defence company Saab, which has a presence in Adelaide and had expressed an interest in building the vessels in South Australia.
But the Minister said he expected significant work would be undertaken in Australia, particularly during the build phase leading to the creation of at least 500 new, high-skilled jobs.
He said many of the 500 jobs would be in South Australia and would focus on significant works ranging from combat-system integration to land-based testing.
It is particularly good news for Australian jobs and can I say to anybody in South Australia who may be listening or watching, this is particularly good news for South Australia.
Defence Minister, Kevin Andrews
“The Government expects that significant work will be undertaken in Australia as part of the build phase of the future submarine including, but not necessarily limited to, combat-system integration, design assurance and land-based testing,” Mr Andrews said.
“This will result in the creation of at least 500 new, high-skilled jobs in Australia for the life of the program, the majority of which will be in South Australia.
“So this is good news for Australian industry, it is good news for the Australian economy, it is particularly good news for Australian jobs and can I say to anybody in South Australia who may be listening or watching, this is particularly good news for South Australia.”
South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill said he believed the Government wanted the submarines built in Japan.
He said he was disappointed Sweden had been ruled out of the “competitive evaluation process”.
“It tells you all you need to know about the process,” Mr Weatherill said.
“Sweden say they can build submarines for the right price, on time, here in South Australia, and they get ruled out of the process.”
The Future Submarine Program is the largest Defence procurement program in Australia’s history and represents an investment in the order of $50 billion, the Government said.
Mr Andrews said France, Germany and Japan had proven submarine design and build capabilities, and currently produce submarines.




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